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Ten years on: Dundee v Celtic and the league match in America that by no means occurred

umair by umair
29 November 2025
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Dundee's Marcus Haber and Stuart Armstrong of Celtic clash in 2016 on Scottish soil

Within the minds of Dundee’s Texan homeowners Tim Keyes and John Nelms, it was a daring and visionary plan which might improve and widen the profile of the Premiership.

For a lot of the remainder of Scottish soccer, together with many inside the Dens Park membership’s personal fanbase, it was an thought greeted by a mix of scepticism and downright derision.

Ten years in the past this month, Keyes and Nelms revealed they’d opened negotiations to host a future house league sport in opposition to Celtic in the USA.

The Scottish champions had been open to the idea in precept. Boston and Philadelphia, cities with an Irish heritage and diaspora Celtic had been eager to faucet into, had been recognized as potential venues.

‘The proposal may be very a lot in its early levels and naturally the related approvals can be sought from the SPFL Board on the applicable time,’ Dundee said.

‘As a membership we’re all the time seeking to convey new concepts to the desk and will this progress we firmly imagine it will likely be a implausible alternative for Dundee, Celtic and Scottish Soccer as an entire.’

Dundee’s Marcus Haber and Stuart Armstrong of Celtic conflict in 2016 on Scottish soil

Dundee's American owners John Nelms and Tim Keyes had a grand Stateside vision

Dundee’s American homeowners John Nelms and Tim Keyes had a grand Stateside imaginative and prescient

Joao Felix of AC Milan and Alex Valle of Como could be facing each other in Australia soon

Joao Felix of AC Milan and Alex Valle of Como might be going through one another in Australia quickly

Whereas world governing physique FIFA warned it could be the ultimate arbiter in figuring out whether or not the match might go forward, even when each the Scottish FA and United States Soccer Federation gave it the inexperienced mild, there was preliminary encouragement from the SPFL board who stated they might think about the deserves of the plan.

The story rumbled on into the 2016-17 season, when Dundee had pencilled in certainly one of their scheduled Dens Park conferences with Celtic being relocated throughout the Atlantic.

In January 2017, nevertheless, Dundee confirmed the concept had been shelved. Whereas no formal clarification was given, it was clear the quantity of administrative hurdles it needed to cross, each domestically and internationally, had merely been too problematic.

It had, in essence, met the identical destiny because the Premier League’s controversial ‘Sport 39’ scheme which had first been mooted again in 2008 which envisaged an additional spherical of fixtures being performed at varied impartial venues outdoors of England.

Opposition from supporters’ teams and a number of other Premier League membership managers, even earlier than the resistance of UEFA and FIFA might be examined, finally noticed it fall by the wayside.

But current developments throughout European soccer recommend that Keyes and Nelms had been maybe not chasing a wildly unrealistic ambition in any case.

Because it stands, a Serie A fixture between AC Milan and Como is provisionally scheduled to happen on the Optus Stadium in Perth, Australia on February 8.

Emilio Izaguirre keeps an eye on Cristiano Ronaldo during a 2012 friendly in Philadelphia

Emilio Izaguirre retains an eye fixed on Cristiano Ronaldo throughout a 2012 pleasant in Philadelphia

Regardless of its personal ongoing opposition to the idea, UEFA final month ‘reluctantly’ permitted the transfer because it discovered there isn’t any authorized framework to cease it.

Aleksander Ceferin, the UEFA president, added: ‘League matches needs to be performed on house soil. The rest would disenfranchise loyal match-going followers and probably distort competitions.

‘This resolution is outstanding and shouldn’t be seen as setting a precedent. Our dedication is obvious — to guard the integrity of nationwide leagues and be certain that soccer stays anchored in its house atmosphere.’

If the Milan-Como match does go forward in Australia, nevertheless, Ceferin’s phrases will certainly be rendered redundant. A precedent will certainly have been set and there are not any scarcity of golf equipment throughout Europe who will look to comply with it.

In Spain, La Liga bosses stay decided to discover a strategy to promote their product overseas.

The identical UEFA govt assembly which discovered it had no possibility however to permit Milan-Como to proceed had additionally rubber-stamped La Liga’s request to stage a fixture between Villarreal and Barcelona in Miami this December.

That provoked a serious backlash all through the Spanish soccer neighborhood, not simply amongst supporters’ teams who’re against the concept. At each La Liga fixture on the weekend of October 18/19, gamers in all groups refused to maneuver for the primary 15 seconds after the referee’s whistle to begin their video games.

Dundee's Steven Caulker and Scott Sinclair of Celtic didn't have to look out their passports

Dundee’s Steven Caulker and Scott Sinclair of Celtic did not need to look out their passports

Appearing on the recommendation of their union AFE, the co-ordinated motion was in protest in opposition to the dearth of any session with gamers in regards to the influence and penalties of enjoying league matches overseas.

La Liga backed down and cancelled the Miami plan, though president Javier Tebas stays dedicated to discovering a strategy to implement it sooner or later.

Like many different soccer directors and executives throughout Europe, Tebas seems to be on with envy on the method American sports activities can unfold their attain and business clout past their very own borders.

The NFL have held common season video games overseas since 2007, the success of the undertaking underlined once more final month when a crowd of 86,152 packed Wembley to observe the Los Angeles Rams tackle the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Likewise, the upcoming NBA assembly of Orlando Magic and Memphis Grizzlies on the 02 Area in London in January has already bought out.

For La Liga and Serie A, the will to stage a few of their fixtures within the USA, Australia and elsewhere is pushed purely and just by monetary elements as they attempt to bridge the rising hole between themselves and the clout of the Premier League.

Whether or not Scottish soccer might safe vital advantages from such a transfer is extra questionable.

Dundee chairman Nelms confirmed final 12 months that they might attempt once more to check the water for transferring a sport to the States.

The NFL's LA Rams and Jacksonville Jaguars clashed at Wembley as recently as last month

The NFL’s LA Rams and Jacksonville Jaguars clashed at Wembley as just lately as final month 

‘We’re within the leisure enterprise so something we will do to entertain, we’d definitely try this,’ stated Nelms.

‘That undertaking almost occurred, it was very, very shut. It could have been implausible for everyone, financially for the soccer membership, for the eyes that you simply’d get on the sport, all the pieces we thought that it could be implausible for.

‘The NFL are doing it simply now. They see the advantages in doing that.

‘There are an unlimited quantity of hoops. It’s FIFA, it’s UEFA and the native leagues. But when it ever arose once more that we’re in a position to try this, we have now just a little bit extra of an understanding of the way it works now and we’d definitely be up for one thing like that.’

Scottish soccer has transplanted itself overseas previously. Again within the shut season of 1994, Guinness promoted a event in Hamilton, Ontario which featured Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen together with Montreal Affect.

Hopes of attracting huge crowds from the Canadian ex-pat neighborhood fell flat, nevertheless, with lower than 6,000 turning up on the Ivor Wynne Stadium to observe Celtic beat the Dons within the closing. The experiment was by no means repeated.

Celtic have performed in entrance of a lot larger attendances in pre-season matches within the USA because the flip of the century, though that may be attributed to the usual of opponents they’ve confronted comparable to in 2012 when over 40,000 turned up for a sport in opposition to Actual Madrid in Philadelphia.

With one of the best will on this planet, it’s tough to envisage the locals flocking to the Lincoln Monetary Subject in related numbers to observe Dundee play Celtic.

Celtic's Dylan McGeouch lies injured as Celtic take on Real Madrid in a Philadelphia friendly

Celtic’s Dylan McGeouch lies injured as Celtic tackle Actual Madrid in a Philadelphia pleasant

The largest promoting level of the Scottish sport, for good or ailing, stays the Outdated Agency fixture which might have the best potential for attracting curiosity if it was ever staged overseas.

It nearly occurred three years in the past, when Celtic and Rangers had been scheduled to fulfill within the Sydney Cup event throughout the winter home break forward of the World Cup finals in Qatar.

Regardless of contracts having been signed, Rangers pulled out in response to offended protests from their supporters who perceived their membership as enjoying a secondary position to then Celtic supervisor Ange Postecoglou’s Australian homecoming.

Each Celtic and Rangers will definitely be conserving an in depth eye on whether or not the doubtless ground-breaking Milan-Como sport does go forward down underneath in February.

Not all European leagues share the passion of Serie A and La Liga. Hans-Joachim Watzke, head of the Bundesliga and a former Borussia Dortmund chief govt, stated just lately: ‘So long as I’m chargeable for this league, there will probably be no aggressive matches overseas — interval.’

But there’s an inescapable sense that the tide is popping on an thought considered fanciful when Dundee’s homeowners raised it 10 years in the past. The genie of home league matches being performed outdoors nationwide borders is straining more durable than ever to get out of the bottle. As soon as it does, there could also be no going again.

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